Talking Point #9

Peggy Orenstein

"School Girls: Young Women, Self-Esteem, and the Confidence Gap"


Premise: (What is this About?)

1. Gender Equality
2. Sexism
3. Education/ Teaching

Argument:

I dont think there's a strong case for an argument here, but if i HAD to pick one i would think it's in the first two sentences that read,

"There is no single magic formula that will help girls retain their self-esteem. Scores of educators around the country are working to develop gender-fair curricula in all subjects and reexamining traditional assumptions about how children best learn."


My Thoughts:

First i wanna point out a quote from this reading that i found. It is by Emily Style and it reads, "Curriculum should be both a window and a mirror for students, that they should be able to look into others' worlds, but also see the experiences of their own race, gender, and class reflected in what they learn." More recently i believe this is becoming more prominant in schools, and is starting to be more of a preaching then a practice. To me it says that, what students learn should be a learning experience, all schooling requires some sort of learning, but it should also be reflective learning in which students can relate to based on their personal experiences. I have found this is be happening here at RIC in most of my classes, especially the class in which im writing this for, FNED 346.

But more on this reading, I liked how the teacher here, Ms. Logan incorporated here own idea on the curriculum of having the students present a monolouge on a FEMALE and MALE persona. She did this because she experienced this in which students had a choice and most of the time, female and male students would pick MALES. From my personal experience i have found this to be true. In my high school sociology class, the assignment was to give a presentation on ANYONE FAMOUS, teach everyone about someone who did something for society. Thinking back to it (we're talking like four years here) I believe EVERY one of my classmates picked a male (again i could be wrong) I personally chose a male comedian, Barry Horowitz a.k.a "Curly" from The Three Stooges lol. It's like in the story Ms. Logan said, "As long as it's required they accept it, But it wouldnt occur to them to choose it."

The point here, is when given the choice most students will pick a male because their seen as the heroins, the saviors that did everything for this country, but what about the woman who were by their side? or aided in their accomplishments because YOU KNOW they exist.

The story mostly tells about a classroom where the curriculum is centered around woman, and some males accept it, others dont like it. Same thing for girls in the class, it shows them how important they can be, but some also dont feel like their learning anything because there is no male involvement. In the end it, the students learn gender equality as one student said, "I dont see what the big deal is about women, I mean as long as they're interesting whats the difference if their woman, Woman are people too"

Talking Point #8

Christopher Kliewer

"Citizenship in School: Reconceptualizing Down Syndrome"


Premise: (What is this about?)

1. Children with Down Syndrome
2. Conformation
3. Diversity
4. Citizenship
5. Perception

Argument:

Kliewer argues that, "Fundamental to constructivist teaching is a respect for each student as both an active agent in the learning process and an essential member of the learning community."


My Thoughts:

First off i want to say i like the story about Issac in this piece. The fact that the teacher took the initiative to find a way to conform the student with a disability within the classroom setting with a lesson plan that let ALL the students actively learn was a major role there. Not only that, but the fact that she recognized Issac as a human child, not a disabled child and let him learn on a level that showed he was grasping the lessons being taught.

With that said, there were a couple quotes that stuck out to me in here that really made me think and reflect. One was, "Dialogue imposes itself as the way by which people achieve significance as human beings" I couldn't agree more with this because as Americans, i think we value our English language in the sense of its dominance, and think that ALL cultures should learn it. In the way in which we carry our dialogue as well, in fact shows significance. For example if one person says to you "I kinda like made me think" versus " I pondered this conundrum" who do you think is going to be seen as more significant in society?

Others Included....

1. "Communication is built on one's ability to listen deeply to others."
2. "Dialogic of democracy is ultimately a set of values based on respect, humility, and creative listening"
3. "It's not Lee (a child with a disability) you're picking out. It's your stereotype, your mind-set. It's you, and it has nothing to do with Lee."
4. "Altering the culture of disability requires that a child be recognized as an active learner, a thinker, and a problem solver, but this cannot occur apart from the relationships that allow for such engagement."

The third quote there is what i think is the biggest problem when it comes to teaching disabled children, in addition to the story i briefly talked about in the beginning. It usually comes down to an educator "being stuck in their ways" and not opening up or accepting those with a disability and automatically labeling them as a "deficit." It is in fact about them, and not wanting to accept someone who is different, and changing their lessons to incorporate someone with a learning disability.

Talking Point #7

Charles Lawrence



"One More River to Cross"--Recognizing the Real Injury in Brown:





Premise: (What is this about?)

1. (De)Segregation


2. Traditions


3. Race


4. Power


5. Privilege

Argument:

Lawrence argues that "If Brown v Board of Education stands for the unconstitutionality of segregation, then the Fourteenth Amendment must guarentee blacks the right to be free from the continuing force and effect of that institution, or it guarentees nothing"


My Thoughts:

Before reading this, i had no idea about Brown or Green v the board of education. I've heard about it through word of mouth, but i never knew anything about it other than by its name. To some extent i'm still left a little puzzled after this article. What i took from this was that prior to these cases schools were segregated by race. Which i believe is morally wrong, but thats just the way the country was back in those times where everything was racist. How blacks were seen as inferior and were less likely to achieve educational status.

Racism and white supremacy and subjects along those lines are something i'm just not comfortable with. I mean it saddens me to think that somewhere even today it still exists and i just dont like to think about it. I believe in equality and just as the pledge of allegiance states "liberty and justice for all"

Talking Point #6

Jeannie Oakes

"Tracking: Why Schools Need to Take Another Route"


Premise: (What is this about?)

1. Schooling
2. Power
3. Privilege
4. Teachers

Argument:

That school tracking is both a response to significant differences among students and an ongoing contribution to those differences.


My Thoughts:

Jeannie Oakes talks about school tracking here in this article and the advantages and disadvantages of it. How tracking puts together kids on the same "education level" together in a classroom and how privileged they are or become because they are labeled as smarter than the norm. Now she's not also saying lets mix the smart kids with the dumb ones and that will solve all our problems, because in fact that will only cause more for both sets of students. She offers some alternatives to tracking in hope to shorten the gap between the privileged and non-privileged students.

Oakes raises a good point here that I agree with, she seems to think there is a need to change they types of knowledge that children are expected to acquire in the social organization of schools and classrooms. I agree with Oakes here because from what I've acquired through my schooling career, I'll say a good amount of it I'm not going to need to know for my future. For example who the 17th president of the United States was (Andrew Johnson by the way), or the fact that "Au" on the table of elements is gold. Like that is basic high school knowledge that you are expected to attain, yet in the "real world" the only time your going to need to know that is on a jeopardy question. Oakes also suggests that classrooms fail to provide all students with time, opportunity and resources they need to learn, and that unless teachers and administrators believe and expect all students to learn well, they will be unlikely to create school and classroom conditions where students believe in their own ability and exert the effort it takes to succeed.

Oakes also suggests that when curriculum is organized around the central themes of a subject area rather than around disconnected topics and skills, all students stand the greatest chance of enhancing their intellectual development. I think this means that when teachers present a subject topic that all students can relate to, and are open to voice their opinions or personal experience maybe, then it enhances the students learning.